two ex-lawyers discuss George Zimmerman’s character and soul, mostly

George Zimmerman
Following up on yesterday’s post, two ex-lawyers discuss George Zimmerman’s character/state of mind, mostly:

I’d seriously thought of approaching Martin’s family through their attorney and ditto GZ.
Agree it would take a miracle but miracles do happen.
So I might try–all it can do is cost some a little time.
Re your penis remark, essentially the same point I was making about people especially civilians letting any kind of authority or power go to their head.
GZ should have immediately gone to the Martin family and expressed his great remorse, if it is sincere.

Give it a try, perhaps a miracle will happen.

I found myself thinking last night of the news video of Zimmerman in court at his bail hearing, sitting in the witness chair. He told Trayvon’s parents he was sorry, then he said he had thought Trayvon was closer to his age and size, or something. As if that would have made a difference, Trayvon was closer to Zimmerman’s age, or size? What was Zimmerman thinking? What was his lawyer thinking? Or maybe his lawyer didn’t know what was going to be said, which would be inexcusable. You rehearse that kind of thing, several times, if you have a lawyer with half a brain. That would have been a great time for Zimmerman to break down sobbing in true remorse.

Wow! You are totally astute there. Indeed his statement should have been thoroughly reheard and he should have been trained to break down.’
He should have shown great remorse, whether or not it was authentic.
When I had my biggest business case I had my client practice his testimony in front of a video recorder and we did it at least twice and reviewed the recording until evry nuance was correct.
As you know, in big cases top attorneys often even use a mock jury to practice the case.
When time permits, I am going to see whether it is possible to reach out to the parties. It will of course work only if GZ is truly remorseful. Even if he did act in self defense he must know his actions got the whole thing started and that ought to be enough for true remorse.
I am sure you and I and most people would be truly remorseful if we accidentally killed someone in a car accident.
How much worse if we had actually killed an innocent man.

Meaning, maybe it’s too late to try for the miracle you painted yesterday? I’d hate to encourage contrivance, but then, it is said, with God, anything is possible. Zimmerman might be taken over by The Spirit, he might come unhinged.

I read where Zimmerman did a lot of weeping in the days after he shot Trayvon Martin. I read where Zimmerman wept in his jail cell, the night he was arrested. Perhaps there is remorse.

Maybe if Zimmerman is separated from his support system, who apparently have rallied to the defense of his body, but not to the defense of his soul, he might break down and do what he clearly needs to do, as I see it, as you see it.

Yes, I would be wrecked, if I killed someone in an auto accident, even if it was not my fault, I would be wrecked.

We truly think a lot about a lot of things (but not all of course).
I do not want to be a skeptic but his jail cell tears could have been remorse over his own situation.
Too late now but what GZ should have done if truly remorseful was write a private letter to the Martin family expressing his regret so it did not look like court room grandstanding, and have done it sooner rather than later.
I will pray hard about wisdom in now to approach the situation, perhaps try an approach through the parties’ spiritual counselors. Not this week however.
Can you imagine the healing if the Martin family and GZ embraced each other with GZ true remorse and Martin family true forgiveness–followed by GZ simply telling the truth in court and letting the judge decide, with Martin family urging leniency? If he followed this course he could fire his attorney. The money raised for his defense could go to the Martin family–did he have siblings?

Yes, Zimmerman’s tears even before he was arrested and jailed could have been for his situation. I have yet to see any indication from him that he feels he did anything wrong.

Yes, Zimmerman could waive a jury trial and let the jury decide it, after hearing all the evidence. That’s how the criminal trial in my last novel ended up going, after I heard in a dream, “Let the judge decide it,” the night before I wrote the part of the tale leading up to the actual trial.

I don’t imagine too many lawyers, nor too many lay people, would be terribly comfortable with that tale, which I kept telling my new wife to be, before I knew she was my new wife to be, but I think maybe she might have known, the tale was being written by God. After she read the completed manuscript, she said it indeed was written by God.

I still think the best chance is for Zimmerman to be seized by The Spirit, see the light, do a 180. Perhaps you might be instrumental in the catalyst sense, but your praying and waiting for guidance is the way to go. Absent a clear go signal from The Spirit, I myself would be reluctant to approach either side directly. And even if I received a go signal, I would need plenty of help with how to make the approach.

I agree (again!). I do not think GZ thinks he did anything wrong.
He needs to acknowledge that his actions led to the death of an innocent young man.
Also agree with you no one should move until the Spirit moves and provides guidance.

Do you ever have time to read fiction? I hardly ever do but the latest “Lincoln lawyer” novel by Michael Connelly is a great read. He’s about the only fiction writer I read.

Fiction is about all I enjoy reading. Usually spy, detective, sci-fi. I read for pleasure much less than when I lived in Key West, though. Sometimes I read documentary books, am pecking away at one on Alaska, and to much lesser extent a biography on Einstein. Might check out the Lincoln Lawyer tale, Abe my favorite president, perhaps little, to no, relation to Connelly’s novel?

It is about a lawyer who practices from chauffeured Lincoln Town Car.
Connelly was an investigative reporter for the LA Times.
I think the one that I read recently was called “The Fifth Witness.” He seems to get his courtroom stuff pretty good.
I think you will enjoy it.


Dreams before dawn this a.m. left me feeling/thinking what I have written, perhaps will write, on Trayvon Martin shooting and its fallout is a good start on the new book I dreamt maybe a week ago of being told I would write. The chapters are laid out pretty good on, where I haven’t put anything up but on this topic since I was shanghaied in dreams to start writing about it. I figured maybe I’d write one, maybe two posts. I think maybe this between us today will be the 14th.
Nashville J sent this interesting snapshot of George Zimmerman’s character and thinking in 2005:

On an old MySpace page belonging to George Zimmerman, the man who shot and killed Trayvon Martin and is charged with his murder, makes disparaging comments about Mexicans and details his response to a criminal case against him in 2005.

The page was first made public by the Miami Herald. Zimmerman’s lawyer, Mark O’Mara, confirmed that the page is George Zimmerman’s MySpace, but has been unused for years.

On Zimmerman’s legal defense fund website, his lawyers admit that the page “will cast Mr. Zimmerman in a less-than-favorable light especially considering the charges he faces.”

“In that regard, it is possible that the statements Mr. Zimmerman made could be used as part of the trial, and therefore it is our policy not to comment directly on items that could become evidence,” the site read. The statement also indicated that the social media accounts of “all the parties” involved might come under scrutiny, and may be introduced at the trial as evidence.

Photos on Zimmerman’s MySpace page show Zimmerman, who calls himself “Joe G.,” with groups of friends. In his biographical blurb, he discusses things he doesn’t miss about his former home in Manassas, Virginia:

I dont miss driving around scared to hit mexicans walkin on the side of the street, soft ass wanna be thugs messin with peoples cars when they aint around (what are you provin, that you can dent a car when no ones watchin) dont make you a man in my book. Workin 96 hours to get a decent pay check, gettin knifes pulled on you by every mexican you run into!”

In an August 24, 2005 blog post, he boasts about his relief about the proceedings in a criminal case.

Im still free! The ex hoe tried her hardest, but the judge saw through it! Big Mike, reppin the Dverse security makin me look a million bucks, broke her down! Thanks to everyone for checkin up on me! Stay tuned for the A.T.F. charges……

A few days later, he expresses happiness that the other charges against him were reduced to misdemeanors.

2 felonies dropped to 1 misdemeanor!!!!!!!!!!! The man knows he was wrong but still got this hump, Thanks to everyone friends and fam, G baby you know your my rock!

In 2005, a 20-year-old Zimmerman was arrested and charged after an altercation with a police officer. The same year, his ex-fianceé filed a restraining order against him and accused him of domestic violence.
The 28-year-old Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black 17-year-old, on the night of Feb. 26. The case has garnered international attention, as many have called the case an example of rampant racial profiling, and have called for a repeal of Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” gun laws.

Social media has played a major role in the case so far. News about the case spread virally on sites like Facebook and Twitter before it was picked up by mainstream outlets, and Martin’s since-deleted tweets were made public by the Daily Caller, a conservative news website. One of Martin’s accounts, called “NO_LIMIT_NIGGA,” in which Martin is shown with gold fronts in his mouth and talking about drug use, was seen by many Zimmerman supporters as evidence that the slain teenager was a hoodlum.

“These were not protected tweets,” the site’s editor told The Huffington Post about the decision to run Martin’s tweets, which were from an account that was no longer active. “While he was alive, these were not outside of the public sphere in any shape or form.”


I still believe an acquittal of George Zimmerman poses a far greater threat to Americans than does Al Qaeda. I still believe President Obama, US Attorney General Holder, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton made a grave mistake weighing in on the Trayvon Martin shooting. I still believe fear of a black uprising in America over Travon’s death, regardless of when Zimmerman is tried, and imagining blacks voting in block for Obama, will cause whites to vote for Mitt Romney, who might not otherwise vote for him.

Meanwhile, saw on CNN a bit ago a report of a black male member of the Florida A & M band, who was beaten to death in a band bus as part of a long-standing initiation into the band by senior band members, all blacks apparently. The white state attorney finally decided only to bring felony hazing charges against 13 band members because he cannot prove who delivered the fatal blow. The Florida death by hazing statute has a much easier burden of proof, as well as much shorter prison time – 6 years max – on conviction. I felt the white state attorney made the best call he could, given the facts reported.

The CNN report said the University had known for many years of this rough hazing initiation and never had intervened. I wonder if President Obama, US Attorney General Holder, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the justice for Trayvon hordes will call for the black A & M President’s head? Not holding my breath.

What a joke, “one nation under God.” What a joke.


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