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Angel-beating pic compliments amgia Erika Biddle, of Key West. Reminds me of:
Me back to Erika:
As I wrote many times, I ain’t never been able to figure out angels.
a number of really good “magic” stories were told last night at the Little Room Jazz Club on Duval Street. Some of the more sophisticated members of the packed house contributed to the recitals by talking unceasing after being repeatedly asked to be quiet.
One of the storytellers mentioned shanghaied, which changed my planned story altogether. I told the audience the title of my story was “Shanghaied”, and told how I was shanghaied by angels (a story I have told many times before) and a couple of spin-offs from it. I felt I told the story at the top of my game in the 5 minutes allowed. The applause rankings at the end of the contest left me feeling I came in close to last.
I told Erika afterward that I doubted I would be back. Not because I did not win; I would have been shocked if I had won. I said I simply do not like slams, contests. Poetry or storytelling. The people should tell their poetry and stories, and the audience can respond in the moment. Putting competition into it, putting money prizes into it, pollutes the spirit, I said.
Erika and her husband, Joel, said they really liked my story, and were glad I came. I doubt they, or anyone I know, would like being shanghaied by angels, though. Not that I blame them. From that moment on, the angels own you; you do their bidding, or wish you had.
Shadharoba Rodd, aka Hatman, wrote yesterday:
morning Sloan. I’ve been reading about Frisbee Dave
in your blog for the past couple days now and this is bothering me greatly. so I decided to write you and only ask that do a little investigating w/ regards to Dave before you put him on any more pedestals. several years ago (3-5 ?) Dave was arrested for some sort of sex crime, mostly talking dirty to some young girl as I recall. he spent several months at the Stock Island Hilton awaiting charges, only to have them dropped because there was (I guess) not strong enough evidence to convict. the story in the Citizen said that the charge was amended to some misdemeanor and that he had served 2 months or more, which is all the time he would have been given if he had been arrested for the misdemeanor originally and so he was being released. But the story also said that he had been declared to be mentally incompetent and unable to be tried.
I don’t like him, but I also don’t hate him. I just don’t have anything to do with him. I’m certainly NOT telling you who you should be friends with , or converse with, or anything else. but I feel that you should know perhaps a bit more about him than maybe you do now.. Rodd
Hi, Rodd – thanks for writing.
Dave told me in 2004, when our tents were next door to each other on the Bridle Path, that he had been diagnosed bipolar.
I have run into him when he seemed in a different world, sometimes he was not friendly, sometimes he came around. Other times, he was friendly, wanted to talk.
I once saw him come into a community meeting on Higgs Beach, under the pavilion across from Salute, wandering among the crowd talking to children and adults. He looked totally out of it, as he sometimes can get. Some of the children seemed frightened, but I saw nothing threatening, just that he seemed out of it and was not aware of the effect he was having.
For sure, though, there are no fig leaves in Paradise, nor any secrets.
I just did a Frisbee Dave and a Frisbee Dave search in the Key West Citizen archives and came up with nothing. I will try to get his last name and see if that will turn something up. And, I will check with KWPD. If it was a misdemeanor, it might have not made it to the State Attorney’s office. Meanwhile, I may be moved by my editorial board to publish yours.
I gave Jenna Stauffer your cell number – (305) 600-6367 – in my phone directory, so she can call you if she is interested in interviewing you at Comcast’s studio on Stock Island. Is that the right number? Does an interview interest you?
I’m copying Jenna with this discussion, for her information.
sure, I’ll talk to her and yes the # is Ok
Ginger, of Jupiter Beach, Florida, wrote:
Sloan, Am I to understand that there was a Referendum against spending money on a marketing company to determine whether to widen and deepen the Channel for ships coming into Port in Key West?
Hope the City spends more money on making Key West charming again. Plant more Queen Ann Palms, create more areas where people could sit in the shade and order coffee/tea and pastries [for residents and cruise passengers].
Have a bulletin published that shows reasonable places to stay for one night or two nights for tourists flying in or driving down.
Hi, Ginger -
The “marketing company” was the Army Corps of Engineers, who brought us Port Everglades and the canal across Florida which cut off the sheet water flow into the Everglades, and led to the farm chemical run off into the Everglades and the Bay of Florida, which ended up killing most of the reef down here, and which, after it was stopped, led to the chemical run off going into Lake Okeechobee, then into the canal, then over your way and toward Port St. Lucie on the west coast, which killed the sea grass manatees eat, so they started eating red algae (red tide), which loves the farm chemical runoff, and the mantees started getting sick and dying, and now Tallahassee and Big Sugar, etc., are trying to start sending the farm chemical runoff back into the Everglades and down from there to us, to make the quell the revolutions in Port St. Lucie, Stuart and Sebastian Inlet, over the sea grass and manatees dying.
No chance the city will provide seats in the shade, because they don’t want homeless people sitting on the seats. The city removed every bench in Old Town, except at city bus stops, to stop homeless people from sitting on the benches. The city closed White Street Pier after 11 p.m., to stop homeless people from sleeping out there. The city closed the public bathrooms on Simonton Beach, to stop homeless people from using those bathrooms. I slept on White Street Pier a bunch of times. Locals used the pier all night to fish, have picnics, street dances, etc. Now, not after 11 p.m.
There is a youth hostel for people who want to stay up to two weeks fairly cheap, dormitory lodging. Women’s sides, men’s sides, and co-ed sides. And, there is KOTS homeless shelter, which is free. I don’t see the business people down here, given the high land cost, offering or building cheap overnight lodging. Nor do I see the city getting into the affordable lodging business, other than for homeless people.
Incredible. I remember as a kid hearing the ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS kept trying to build the canal across top of Florida to cut down traffic time for ships but geologists kept telling the Corps that it would seriously damage water flow to South Florida. I didn’t know they got the stupid idiotic canal built. I remember seeing huge abandoned pillars that were going to be used for the canal and apparently Corps tried to go ahead and build the Canal in the 1950?s and then project stopped. OKEECHOBEE lake was clean and clear in the 1950?s but as they cleared the land around it for cattle grazing, orange groves and sugar cane in the 1970?s as the FANJUL family from Cuba began buying up land to grow sugar on, the run off with all the fertilizer was running into that incredible fresh water lake OKEECHOBEE. Then the Government builds the dyke around Okeechobee after the 1930 hurricane, don’t know what year as the lake overflowed TO THE SOUTH during the hurricane, due to the wind direction and heavy rainfall. Then like idiots, the farmers somehow got permission to let their fertilizer rich soils run back into the lake rather than in some other direction. They also stupidly removed a lot of the plants that naturally purified the water, the hyacinths, bull rushes, papyrus, They claim these plants were “invasive.” Water Hyacinths” are all over Central and Latin America and were everywhere when I was here in 1951. They kept the water canals, water, and lakes crystal clear. You could see the floor of the canals, the little minnows, water moccasins, alligators hiding along the water’s edge.
I am also shocked to hear what the city did to keep the homeless out of the area. I found it so hot walking around. I bought some key lime pie at a place that said it had the famous key lime pie and there wasn’t room in the tiny place to eat it. It would have been delightful to sit outside in the shade and eat it with some coffee or lemonaid. I find the area has become too hot. In New York City we have wonderful parks in the city between buildings where there are fountains and one can sit at tables and chairs, have coffee, tea. Now New York also doesn’t let the homeless sleep on the Park Benches. You can’t fine the homeless as they don’t have money so they will accept the sleeping arrangements of the jail. So the City has to find an area where they can spend their days and evenings away from the downtown area. They have outlawed panhandling I assume.
I think the canal is in southern Florida, runs by Lake Okeechobee, going east and west.
The city designated a small area next to Mallory Pier for panhandling, to avoid 1st Amendment challenges to banning panhandling everywhere else in the city.
The city fenced in the kiosks on the beach side of Higgs Beach Park, and turned it into a children’s playground, in which no adults without children with them can be. Not even the mayor and city commissioners can be in that park, unless they have children in their care. This was done to stop homeless people from using the kiosks. It stopped just about everyone else from using them, too, and lots of people who were not homeless used those kiosks, side by side with homeless people.
Now, homeless people have taken over the pavilion directly in front of Salute restaurant. I imagine the city is trying how to figure out how to stop that, too. Only way I can see is to tear the pavilion down and haul it off. Then, it cannot be reserved for birthday parties, community gatherings, expanded parties Salute throws, which happens now.
Maybe they ought to just outlaw human beings being at Higgs Beach. Let the sand crabs and sea gulls have it. The sand is not natural there; they haul it down from the mainland, to replenish sand that gets washed out to sea. There isn’t a natural beach in Key West, except for the narrow strip above White Street Pier. Hardly anyone uses that beach.
There are so much more fun things to get aggravated over. Like, this new movie coming out, allegedly proving Jesus never existed. Might have more about that in tomorrow’s post, following up on what was in today’s. Compliments, again, Erika Biddle.
Jerry Weinstock, M.D., Psychiatry, of Key Haven, just above Key West, wrote:
Sloan: A ban on monster cruise ships will eventually be
much better for our whole economy –not just
a very few. Clean water, clean AIR, diving
fishing swimming, all those will bring tourists
who respect the city , people and the natural
environment. ECO-tourism has taken off
big time in other places. Our Cruisers now
are death to the environment . My detailed
research article of 4/1/2004 appeared in the
Solares Hill and Citizen and explains in detail,
scientifically how disastrously these ships
affect our shallow water rich tropical sea.
Sloan even our once beautiful luminosity of the
ocean may return –now nutrient loaded
with rotten discarding garbage and sewage from
these floating cities our water is unappealing
green. Our harbor could come back to its once
fertility and clearness. Did you read the excellent
letter to the editor in the present KEYNOTER–
superb –by Simmons—you may want to print it.??!!
all the best !!!!!!! Jerry
Hi, Jerry – I think you mean the monster cruise ships already calling on Key West, which are considerably smaller than the ships the forces of darkness want to bring into port here, yes?
Maybe a different form of resistance is needed. Maybe, hmmm, a flying saucer, using a particle beam device, or a ray gun, dematerializes every cruise ship that approaches Key West. Do you think that would get the message across? Probably not with everyone.
Probably some people would spin it to be the US Navy testing a new weapon, and there would be a great clamor for more information, what company made the weapon for the Navy?, and a stampede, led by the big money interests in Key West, to buy that company’s stock as a hedge against the demise, boo hoo, of monster cruise ships calling on Key West.
Hi Sloan: the citizen article (editorial) —one of the least
informed of all time –ecotourism is spread around
world by well over 100 organizations in innumerable
publications and the internet in nano -secs—-
that article in the (letter) in the Keynoter you
would really like. Oct.9th —-laser the Cruise ships,
ray gun –they are after all a Cancer–just as
destructive –have a great evening
From the Keynoter:
The fine folks of Key West are to be enthusiastically congratulated for their defeat of the referendum that would have had the city ask the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to study widening Key West Harbor’s shipping channel. The people have spoken and as always the people know best.
It is very encouraging to know that there is a chance Key West will always have some of its real historical charm around for a long time untarnished by throngs and throngs of tourists crawling like ants through their peaceful neighborhoods, looking into their shuttered windows, snapping photos of them sitting by their pools, asking them foolish questions if they are Conchs and spitting out their chewing gum on the front sidewalks.
It is one step in the direction of sanity.
My wife and lived in Key West and loved it. We sadly had to move north for personal reasons, but we visit often and have lots of friends and not one of our friends favored the idea of expanding the channel. Considering what’s happening even now is disturbing.
Overfishing, fishing contests, poker contests and all sorts of tacky promotional gimmicks that attract thousands and thousands of tourists takes its daily toll on the famous island town. When will enough be enough for the greedy, money-mongering few who can’t get rich enough with the help of city subsidies and permit approvals politically motivated and a chamber of commerce whose real interest is just not very clear?
By far, a more substantial idea would be to have a vote to approve a plan to clean up Duval Street’s sidewalks. How disgusting some of the blocks are to walk on, they are so filthy.
As the good people of Key West move forward, they know they will have to remain vigilant and they certainly will and their support will grow. All it takes is a walk down to the waterfront when two huge ships are in and observe what its like. Times Square would be a pretty neat comparison. Key West is just not built for it and was never intended to be inundated in such a fashion.
Excerpt from today’s Editorial in the Key West Citizen, my dream maker last night especially liked the Teri Johnston part, before I knew of it. Editorial cartoon from Key West the Newspaper, which was a major force in the slam of the bigger cruise ship referendum. I added pics andinterjected comments.
This general election also saw a dramatic voter turnout — 41 percent versus 26 percent for the city’s 2011 general election.
This turnout is not surprising as the controversial “Study K.W. Ship Channel Widening” referendum was on the ballot.
The referendum asked: “Shall the City of Key West request that the Army Corps of Engineers conduct a comprehensive feasibility study, at no monetary cost to the city, to determine the environmental, economic and social impacts of widening the Key West Main Ship Channel for use by modern and longer cruise ships while also addressing navigational safety?”
Voters answered “no” by a resounding 74 percent to 26 percent margin. In fact, not one precinct came in lower than a 65 percent “no” vote.
The math behind the vote is equally staggering.
The pro-study Greater Key West Chamber of Commerce Political Action Committee (PAC) spent $165,000 for 1,630 votes, or about $100 a vote.
In contrast, the Key West Committee for Responsible Tourism PAC seemingly got a bargain at $17 a vote, collecting 4,531 votes and spending a reported $78,000.
The channel-widening study referendum also garnered the most total votes, eclipsing the citywide mayoral contest by 109 votes.
Voters clearly sent a message, but will it be received?
As the election night dust settled the pro-study PAC made no post-election concessions. Instead its leaders appeared to blame voters for failing to properly interpret the issue.
“People misunderstood,” declared attorney Jennifer Hulse, representing the pro-study PAC. “This is simply about a study — not to dredge the channel.”
Nobody misunderstood, Jennifer. But you, and your client, the Chamber of the Oldest Commerce Profession, did your darndest to try to make them misunderstand.
In contrast, anti-study PAC supporters celebrated while simultaneously casting a wary eye toward the City Commission.
It seems that while a “yes” vote would have bound the commission to order the study from the Army Corps of Engineers, it is unclear whether a “no” study vote is in any way binding.
Commissioner Teri Johnston
has called for a commission vote Wednesday on a resolution that says the city “intends to pursue and enact further legislation to codify the intent and opposition expressed by Key West’s electorate” on the channel widening issue.
However, it’s unclear how the future of the main ship channel that is not under the jurisdiction of the city can be restricted by the city. So it will be interesting to see what, if any, aspect of the “no” vote legally binds this or any future commissions.
Regardless, one thing is clear: Citizens who voted “no” seemed able to connect the dots between a channel widening study and the real possibility that “longer,” meaning higher-capacity passenger ships could arrive at the island at some point in the future.
While the cruise ship industry may be embracing longer, larger-capacity ships, the citizens of Key West clearly are not.
The commissioners would be wise to take the “no” vote under advisement; after all they asked for the referendum.
– The Citizen
The commissioners, and the mayor, who votes with the commissioners, would be wise to use all possible means to permanently close Key West to the monster cruise ships now calling on Key West. Forget the politics. The damage those monsters do to the sea is plenty of reason for Key West to tell them to take a hike. Should have happened years ago – like, when the first of the monsters asked to be allowed to call on Key West. Storytelling contests ain’t the only place what get polluted by money.
Yesterday afternoon, via Facebook, Erika Biddle sent the second installment in the invented Jesus drama, adding to the first installment reported in yesterday’s post:
IS CHRISTIANITY THE GENESIS OF
MODERN PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE?
JOIN US SAT. 19TH OCTOBER 2013 FOR A UNIQUE SYMPOSIUM
IT’S NOT JUST ANCIENT HISTORY
TO UNDERSTAND OUR CULTURE WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE BEGINNING…
The calendar we use today marks the life of Jesus Christ as the beginning of a new chapter in Western civilisation, a new era inspired by Christ’s message of love, charity, humility, peace, and justice. But established history tells us that Christianity became entangled in politics, wealth, violence, and empire because the institutional religion strayed from the moral teachings of its founder. How did it go so wrong?
The latest in Biblical scholarship has now uncovered new evidence that provides a disturbing explanation: Christianity never strayed; Jesus Christ is a fabricated cover story for an Imperial psychological warfare operation born out of the First Jewish-Roman War in the first century.
Far-fetched and absurd? The quality of the evidence we’ll be presenting may surprise you.
AN EXPOSÉ ON CHRISTIANITY WHOSE TIME HAS COME
Join us for a one-day symposium that will provide a unique insight into how the ruling classes, from the Caesars of the past to the public relations firms working for governments and high finance today, have maintained power and an unending stealth class war by weaponising our own imagination against us. This is sure to engage not just students of religion and history, but also those interested in psychology, politics, and social justice.
In attendance will be our guest speakers Joseph Atwill andKenneth Humphreys. We are also proud to feature the European premiere of the groundbreaking documentaryCaesar’s Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesusdirected by Fritz Heede.
As a youth in Japan Atwill attended a Jesuit military academy, where most of his school day was spent studying Greek, Latin, and the Bible. In later years, he continued studying hundreds of books on the origins of Christianity, including the Dead Sea Scrolls. Recently he wrote a paper with Robert Eisenman on the dating of the Scrolls. Atwill’s book Caesar’s Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus was published by Ulysses Press in 2006, becoming a best-selling work of religious history in the US in 2007. Its German translation has also achieved No. 1 Best Seller status.
Humpreys holds a Master’s degree from the University of Essex in history and social sciences, a post-graduate pedagogic certificate from the University of Leicester, and a higher national certificate in business studies. He taught for many years in the UK and abroad. Religion, and in particular the claims of Christinaity, have been a life-long interest. His book Jesus Never Existed, published in 2005 by Iconoclast Press, currently ships to 30 countries. His website receives more than a million visitors a year. He is now fully occupied as a writer, radio broadcaster, and public speaker, and campaigns energetically against the tide of resurgent superstition and unreason.
When we were first introduced to the book Caesar’s Messiah, our response to the idea that the Romans wrote the New Testament in order to control the masses of the day was equal parts belief and disbelief. The thesis made a lot of sense, and yet it seemed too outrageous in the face of the gigantic numbers of people who hold Christianity sacred and Jesus as a historic figure.
After a three-year journey of studying this subject more deeply and becoming familiar with the works of many scholars on the origins of Christianity, we feel that the thesis has much merit and deserves to be seriously considered as a likely possibility of what actually occurred in history 2000 years ago. Though we didn’t wish to dismiss the positive teachings of Christianity, it is the history and politics of the way the religion came about that we feel are the real issue.
The challenge then became how to approach such a scholarly and academic topic as the analysis of ancient texts, in a visual format in order to keep the attention of the audience. Thanks to the artistic cinematography of Fritz Heede and Marisa Maldonado, and the inclusion of classic paintings to illustrate scenes from the time period, we were able to avoid the pitfalls of re-enactments, which can tend to feel too concrete and forced of an interpretation of an ancient era. We were also blessed with interesting and passionate scholars who are a far cry from dry academics, being on the cutting edge of scholarship and in many instances challenging to the academic world.
As production progressed, we couldn’t help notice the immediate relevancy of the Caesar’s Messiah thesis to the unfolding of current day political affairs. It is our hope that audiences will open up to the possibility that the history written in official books is not always actual fact, and that religion is often used as a political tool to control the populace, even to this day.
The origin of the Christian religion has been a subject steeped in mystery for nearly 2000 years. Who was Jesus? Is he an historical character? Who wrote the Gospels? Why are they written in Greek? Why did they have a pro-Roman and anti-semitic perspective? Why was the religion headquartered in Rome? Caesar’s Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus is a documentary based on the best?selling religious studies book by Joseph Atwill. Atwill is one of a number of scholars today from all around the world, who are questioning the historic facts behind these mysterious origins of Christianity. When examining the actual history of this era, many of the answers provided by the Church do not hold up to rigorous scrutiny. No doubt, Christianity has done a lot of good for the world, but a lot of bad has come from its most dogmatic believers, who create wars, hatred, and other harm under the disguise of religion. In studying how Christianity emerged, the seven controversial Bible scholars featured in this film agree that it was used as a political tool to control the masses of the day, and is still being used this way today. For example, support for the wars in the Middle East is preached to Evangelical Christians as a way to speed up the coming of the End of Days. Maybe we need to expand the possible answers about how Christianity originated, and deeper questions need to be asked. Maybe we need to examine what political motives were behind the formation of the Christian religion?
The documentary begins with a brief history of the political and religious climate of Judea in the first century CE – the era during which Christianity emerged. Judea was occupied by the Roman Empire, which required them to worship Caesar as a god. The Jews found this blasphemous, and they waged constant rebellions against the Empire. Their religious scriptures prophesied that a militaristic warrior Messiah would defeat the Romans and lead the Jews to liberation. A string of numerous Messiahs presented themselves to lead the people in war against Rome, only to be defeated and crucified – a customary Roman punishment for insurgents of the day. However, the Roman government was growing weaker from over a century of increasingly corrupt rule by the Julio?Claudian dynasty — the last emperor of this lineage being Nero, who was bankrupting the Empire with his self?indulgence. In their greatest victory, the messianic Jews finally succeeded in burning Rome and driving the Romans out of Judea. This caused Nero to call upon his best military men, the Flavians – Vespasian and his son Titus — to crush the rebellion for good. The Flavians succeeded not only in destroying the Jewish towns of Galilee and their temple in Jerusalem, but after Nero was deposed and committed suicide, they seized the throne through a military coup and took over reign of the Roman Empire itself. Under the Flavians, the Empire flourished, and many great monuments were built including the famous Coliseum. In order to pacify the Jewish rebellion, they captured and burned all the Jews’ scriptures. It is around this time that a new literature emerged with the story of a very different Jewish Messiah – one who preached “give to Caesar what is Caesar’s”, “turn the other cheek”, and “love your enemy”.
The second half of the documentary focuses on the documents the Flavians left behind which prove their authorship of the Gospels. The Bible scholars deconstruct the Gospels and the character Jesus, showing that they are based on archetypes found in the ancient pagan mystery schools and in earlier Jewish literature. Much of the teachings of Christianity are traced back to the writings of Philo of Alexandria — who was combining Jewish scripture with Greek pagan beliefs — and Stoicism, a philosophy promoted by the Flavians. When the Flavians seized control of the Roman Empire, they needed to legitimise their rule, so they had their Jewish court historian Josephus (originally Yosef ben Matityahu who adopted the name Titus Flavius Josephus) create a large body of work which became the only official history we have of the Jewish-Roman War.
Bible scholar Joseph Atwill noticed many parallels between this historic account of the war and the events in the life of Jesus in the Gospels. Through his study of the ancient Greek texts and his discovery of an antiquated Hebrew literary genre, he found dozens of parallels between the Jesus story and the war history that occurred in the exact same sequence. This shows that the events of Jesus’ life which supposedly took place forty years earlier, were actually all dependent on the events in the military campaign of the Roman Caesar Titus Flavius. Ancient texts were much more allegorical, multi-layered and complex than today’s writing, and when you read the Gospels and the histories of Josephus side by side, a new meaning arises which reveals the authors of the Gospels to be the Roman Flavian Caesars, their co-conspirators, and their literary team.
Along the way, the Bible scholars show how the Roman Imperial Cult — set up to worship Caesar as a god — formed the basis for the Roman Catholic Church, and that some of the Church’s first saints were members of the Flavian court. Atwill also shows how the “second coming of the Christ” referred to a historical event that already occurred. Featuring scholars Joseph Atwill, Robert Eisenman, John Hudson, Ken Humphreys, Rod Blackhirst,Acharya S / D.M. Murdock, and Timothy Freke, this ground-breaking documentary not only gives us a revolutionary new understanding of the origins of Christianity, but shows how the political use of religion is still affecting our personal lives today. We currently live on the brink of an immense paradigm shift, and this modern time is very parallel to the era in which Christianity emerged. Studying this ancient era can give us the much-needed perspective for coming up with solutions to today’s problems, so we can create the better world that we envision.
So, the intrigue continues. I think Acts, which follows the four Gospels, tells of how Paul was directed by the Lord, he said, to go to Rome, and the winding way that came about, for him to stand trial there for being a Christian, the penalty, death, if he did not recant Jesus. He got to go to Rome to plead his case to Caesar, because he was a Roman citizen and all Roman citizens had that right when charged with crimes, according to Acts. Paul was incarcerated in Rome, and from prison he wrote all of his letters, allegedly, which later appear in the New Testament. Did the Roman tricksters also write Acts, which is anonymous, and Paul’s letters?, is what I’m getting around to. Did the Roman tricksters also write Peter’s letters in the New Testament, and James’ letter, who was said to be Jesus’ brother, and Revelation, by John, it is said?
It is true, from all I have read, the Jews wanted a warrior messiah to deliver them from the Romans, and Jesus really pissed them off claiming to be the messiah but preaching turn the other cheek, turning swords into plowshares. The Roman tricksters must have been advanced in the occult/arcane arts to invent the parables Jesus told in the Gospels. The irony, by and by, Rome adopted Christianity as the State religion, and after that, the very Jesus the Roman tricksters invented, ended up conquering the Roman Empire without firing one arrow, or throwing one spear, of the physical kind.
Sadly, Christianity, in the main, rejected what the Roman tricksters invented, who was Jesus. In the name of God, Christians waged horrible wars since Rome adopted Jesus as its Lord and Savior. The early in the name of God wars were started by Rome, as I recall. This could be due to the war-like nature of the Roman tricksters, which bled through their scheme and led to Christian Rome becoming just like the earlier Roman tricksters.
Perhaps this new debate might cause the Rome Church and all of Christendom far more discomfort than it could ever possibly imagine. Perhaps that discomfort will galvanize all who claim to be followers of the invented Jesus, to start actually behaving like him, and like he told people in the invented Gospels to be like. Perhaps the invented Jesus will then actually become the messiah, of Christendom, in an unintended consequence (ass-backwards) way. Perhaps that’s the entire point of the new movie, it’s a modern trickster conspiracy to back Christendom into a tiny corner, from which it cannot escape, other than by actually becoming like Jesus!
Where, do you suppose, that would leave the modern tricksters in the God scheme of things? Assuming they believe there is a God. Even if they don’t believe there is a God, they might be well rewarded, very likely starting with making heaps of wampum off this new movement they created. Me, years ago, I quit believing God and Jesus existed. I had so many experiences with them, that belief was replaced by knowing they exist, but I will never be able to prove it to anyone else.
I wonder, again, if the angels will chime in on this conundrum you have dumped on my plate?, which, no doubt, the angels somehow arranged for you to do. If they don’t chime in, that means they don’t have anything to add to, or correct, in what I ventured out above. If they chime in, I will let you know what they chimed.
Thanks for making what already was a fairly interesting day, even more interesting, for the second day in a row. I can’t wait to be able to pay you back.
Ciaosky, you German provocateur
Oh, my pardon, I left out the Letter to the Hebrews, which is anonymous in the New Testament – the angels told me Mary Magdalene scribed it, unnamed, because it was known back then that no man would read it, if her name was on it. In that book, the Roman tricksters dragged Melchizedek into their conspiracy, an Eternal Being, who had roamed the earth with Abraham, long before Rome ever was born. Melchizedek, like which, Hebrews said, was Jesus, and in that Order, Melchizedek, was High Priest. In that book, the tricksters chide Jewish followers of Jesus for backsliding, for drinking milk, instead of eating meet, for not being teachers, and gave grave warning of the peril of not returning to that discipline – ie, the chastening of the Lord. The tricksters were indeed deeply steeped in the Mysteries, to write Hebrews. Paul’s writings were pabulum compared to Hebrews, which descended from the invented Jesus in the Gospels.
Good for the modern tricksters, kudos to them, for giving Christendom a chance to stand up for the invented Jesus, finally.
The angels didn’t chime in last night, so I stand by what I wrote yesterday, to which I add, Christendom invented its own Jesus, because the Jesus in the Gospels was too tough to swallow, so what it seems we have brewing here is a battle between two different invented Jesus camps, both seemingly originating in Rome, where it all started, I suppose, with the Roman covert agent Paul writing his letters to the Romans, urging them to become like the invented Jesus. As the story goes, Paul eventually was beheaded, the capital punishment for Romans, heathens were crucified, for not recanting the Jesus Paul had helped invent.