Replies to yesterday’s especially cheery Homeland Security-America post, which I doubt will win me the Nobel Peach Price, er, Prize. My responses in italics.
Very dark and frightening stuff, Sloan. Sure hope you’re wrong on this one. Peggy
I wish I wuz wrong, too. I also wish I wuz not given this sort of stuff to write, by angels who see a lot better than I see; but if I don’t write it, who will? Countries that bill themselves as chosen, under God, invite the most severe of spiritual tests. I still recommend THE SPEAR OF DESTINY, by Trevor Ravenscroft. An absolutely terrifying disclosure of how the Forces of Darkness created Adolph Hitler and his inner circle. The same Forces of Darkness that arranged for Barack Obama to receive the Nobel Peace Prize. While what most Americans are talking about istead is Tiger Woods acting as if he is a sheik with a huge harem, except he forgot to tell his wife and America he was a sheik.
By questioning whether our national interest is well-served by blind allegiance to Israel, you and Sancho risk excoriation by the articulate and influential supporters of that policy. We desperately need open debate on that issue, but many stand silently on the sidelines rather than risk being perceived as anti-Semitic, soft on terrorists, etc. Hopefully, discussions like the Middle East diablog between Sloan and Sancho will soon enter the mainstream.
A perhaps little known fact is all people descended from Abraham, Jews and Arabs alike, are semites. So to side with Israel is an anti-semitic as siding with the PLO, Iraq, Iran, Lybia, Saudia Arabia and so forth. In my posts lately, I sided with neither side and gave both sides plenty of cud to chew. This can be talked do death in the politically correct arenas, again, and again, and again, and won’t change anything, because of the underlying religious conflict, which is not going to resolve, absent something truly unusual happening. Not by human means, is what I’m getting at. Something along the lines of the Red Sea parting and swalloinng a goodly number from both sides forever and forever, Amen. Or maybe just a big flood would do. A real big flood. So big it would make Al Gore say, ”See, I told you so!” as he clings to the top of Old Smokey, watching great whites circle his last stand. Discussion is not what is needed. What is needed is a President who takes charge and orders the U.S. Military to come home, pronto. This is within our President’s prerogative, it is not necessary to consult Congress for our President to end a war. Of course, it very well could get that Commander-in-Chief assassinated, or locked up in the loony bin for America’s own good. Certainly not this smiling hypocrite accepting the Nobel Peace Prize, as he wages war. Think Anti-Christ.
p.s. not to quibble, but Afghanistan isn’t located in the Middle East, so it’s inaccurate to characterize the decision to send more troops to Afghanistan as a decision to escalate the conflict in the Middle East. There are so many sources of conflict in the Middle East (Arab-Israeli, Sunni-Shiite, Kurdish nationalism, etc.) that specificity is needed to avoid further clouding the issues.
Quibble? Any war America wages against/in an Islamic country is a war against Islam by the Great Satan that supports Israel. Islam views Israel and America as the terrorists, and based on what I’ve read and seen on the news, there is just as strong an argument for Islam’s view as there is for the view that the terrorists are inside of Islam. What America needs to do is turn inward and deal with its own terrorists, which might just take a few hundred years. As for what is the Middle East, here’s a map that came up when I googled images for Middle East. This is pretty much my rough understanding of the Middle East. Like it matters what it’s called. It’s all a mess, thanks to religion. A mess. America is no paragon of order, either. Just a different kind of mess.
Sloan,
I couldn’t agree more. I just don’t voice these opinions beccause Israel is such an icon in America. How the hell it ever made sense to recompense the Jewish people for what the Germans did to them, by giving them a hunk of Arab territory, has always been beyond my comprehension.
HOWEVER they’ve been there some 60 years, and I sure couldn’t see running them all into the Mediterranean to drown. Don’t know what the answer is – probably some immense reparations of some sort for the Arabs from the UN. And as for all this crap about “we were there 2,000 years ago and it’s our homeland,” etc., almost no one is where they were 2,000 yeas ago. By that logic we should give all of America right back to the Indians.
Now that communism has collapsed, it seems to me that nearly all the world’s problems can be traced back, one way or another, to the unjust creation of Israel. I remember distinctly a lunch conversaton with members of the largely Jewish law firm I once worked for, which centered around nothing but “The problem with the Middle East is that,” or “The problem with the Middle East is this,” etc. Finally Richard Cohn, hardly a Baptist himself, stopped the conversation cold by saying “The problem with the Middle East is that the Arabs have a just cause!” How about that for guts (of which Richard has plenty).
Roben is Jewish. His father, as an American soldier, fought the Nazis in Europe. One of Roben’s sons is in the U.S. military, or recently was. He was stationed in combat zones. Roben and I don’t agree entirely on G.W. Bush’s wars, but we seem to agree somewhat on Israel. I wrote once before that all of my Jewish ancestors but two were killed by the Nazis. That holocaust didn’t give the Jews who surived any more right to a Jewish homeland in Palestine than my son being murdered gave me the right to take my next door neighbor’s land and home. It’s very easy to claim to be a godly nation when you have the biggest military force ever on this planet backing you up. The Jews bill themselves as God’s chosen people. Let Israel go it alone with God; quit provisioning Israel, is all I say America should do. We enforce the separation of church and state provisons of the First Amendment within our borders; we should enforce the First Amendment in our foreign policy, too. Note, I said separation of church and state; I did not say separation of state and God.
Sloan Bashinsky