more render unto Caesar and God grubby scenarios

Larry Murry replied to this part of yesterday’s  Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s, and unto God that which is God’s – various grubby scenarios  post:

Not sure I would characterize the Athletic Directors’ pay as flim flam, if they are not being overpaid but it’s simply trying to make do with what is there in a climate where nobody is going to be happy with the make-do. Although John, you don’t like the idea, you know, as do the other school board members and Mark know, without an operations revenue influx, mostly likely through a tax increase, this school district’s employee morale problem will not abate and might well become more serious. Dr. Ed Shine [Superintendent of Schools candidate] told you that during his public interview at Marathon High School. Nothing has changed. Sloan



I think you missed the point regarding John Dick’s comments about paying supplements to athletic directors.


I replied:

Perhaps I did, please explain what I missed that John said. I heard Mark Porter say the Athletic Directors’ pay, including supplemental pay, was not too high. Of course, why do Athletic Directors get preference might be asked? Rhetorical question, athletics is more important than education many would argue.

Larry replied:

John’s point was simply this:

1. In years past, faculty who also were athletic directors were given supplemental pay for the latter.

2. Then, a few years ago, athletic directors were converted into a fulltime job. At the time of the conversion, the supplements were folded into the salaries.

3 Now, the District is reverting to the old scheme of teachers who are also athletic directors. The intent of the District is to give them supplemental pay. John’s point is that people like Theresa Konrath at MHS were once given supplements, then had the supplement rolled into their pay and are now about to get what John views as a “second” or additional supplement.

Hope that all makes sense.



Still looks to me that this is symptomatic of the School District not having enough money to make ends meet and resolve the low morale problem, and that an operations revenue influx is needed to fix that – translates to school tax increase.

From The Key West Citizen today, my thoughts in italics.
Gentile will appeal ruling
Citizen Staff
It’s official. School District administrator Ken Gentile, whose use of a title some say he does not possess resulted in a five-day, unpaid suspension, will appeal the ruling, his lawyer Robert Cintron confirmed Monday. At issue is Gentile’s status as a Certified Public Accountant, a designation he claimed in a 2010 resume he used to get a job with the school district as an internal auditor, and has tagged his work with ever since. In fact, Gentile’s New York State CPA license, which was granted in 1987, lapsed in 1993. He has never held a Florida CPA license, but has maintained this fact is irrelevant, since he said he has never done CPA work for the district. Under former School Superintendent Jesus Jara, Gentile was shifted over to the administrative side of district operations, where his work has met with positive feedback from current Superintended Mark Porter.
My impression is Ken Gentile has worked very hard and the School District is better for it.
“This is much ado about nothing,” Cintron said. “I respect [School District Attorney Dirk] Smits. I like the superintendent, too. With all due respect I think they dropped the ball on this issue and I think this was a politically motivated attempt to destroy Gentile.” The controversy arose earlier this year when it was first revealed that Gentile is not an active CPA in any state. School watchdogs, Larry Murray, who ran for School Board in the August primary, and Sloan Bashinsky, repeatedly questioned Gentile’s integrity in a series of emails sent to Jara. But the former superintendent maintained the issue was a tempest in a teapot, and left it for his successor Porter to deal with.
I wish Schmida had contacted me. I consistently disagreed with Larry Murray, and with School Board members John Dick and Andy Griffiths, that Ken Gentile should be fired, unless Dick and Griffiths themselves were fired, or resigned, for hiring Gentile fully aware he had no Florida CPA credentials. Schmida might also have written that I, too, was a School Board candidate, which would have given his readers a sense of how deeply involved I was in school issues.
At a Monroe County School Board meeting in late October, Porter announced Gentile’s suspension, before going out of his way to commend the job Gentile has done for the board. “He has performed admirably in every facet I have asked him to do and has provided outstanding financial information and insight into other areas as well,” Porter said at the time. But Gentile isn’t pleased with the black mark on his record, and is hoping for relief from the Florida Department of Administrative Hearings, his lawyer said. “It’s our position that he is already authorized to use the CPA designation because he had a valid CPA license,” Cintron said. Cintron maintains that under the Florida regulations that govern out-of-state CPAs, Gentile was authorized in Florida to use the CPA designation, notwithstanding that at the time he did not have a Florida CPA license. The Florida regulations acknowledge that you can be a non-Florida CPA in Florida. “Florida allows CPAs from certain other states, including New York, given that they’re licensed in New York,” the lawyer explained. “The issue is whether you’re actually practicing as a CPA in Florida, which Gentile never did. It really is a legal argument as to whether or not Gentile had the right to use the CPA designation with his name, given that he was not practicing certified public accounting in Florida.” The State of Florida considers it a criminal misdemeanor to call oneself a CPA without actually holding the title, but requires the individual in question to be aware they’re breaking the law by doing so. In other words, if Gentile didn’t realize he was breaking the law, then he likely wasn’t. The Tallahassee-based Florida DOAH will now assign the case to a hearing officer, who will examine Gentile’s case before an administrative hearing officer. Cintron said the process to determine the fate of Gentile’s claim likely won’t take place before the first of the year. School Board Chair Andy Griffiths appears eager to lay the matter to rest. “If you pass the bar exam, they call you a lawyer,” he said. “If you move to another state, do they still call you a lawyer? I don’t know. Maybe the [DOAH] hearing will give us the answer.” Gentile’s attorney, meanwhile, predicts victory for his client. “In most any criminal prosecution the prosecutor almost always has to prove mens rea, meaning he intended to commit the crime,” Cintron said. “Did he intentionally violate this rather technical requirement? We maintain that he did not. But, in fairness to everyone it’s a very technical area in which people shouldn’t be quick to form a conclusion without understanding those nuances.” Cintron said the School Board knew when they hired Gentile that he didn’t have a Florida CPA license. “If you read the executive summary that was given to the School Board members, the first page says that they were able to verify that Gentile was licensed in the state of New York, but not in Florida. They hired him anyway,” he said.
Yep, and they have yet to take responsibility for it.
At press time Porter hadn’t returned phone calls, but Gentile affirmed that he had arranged to take his five suspension days off from Dec. 10 through 14.
I told Ken, who is devout in his Christian practices, that I did not think it was Jesus’ way to get lawyered up, but it was Jesus’ way, when called before the tribunals of men, to simply tell the truth and to accept what was handed down.
”I wanted to take them at a time when it would be the least disruptive to the district,” Gentile said. “That was mutually agreed upon with the board.” The DOAH officers have the power to reverse the penalty retroactively, he added.
Letter to the editor:
Allow yourself to look at reality of our streets
Erika Biddle and SheelMan Sheelman have collaborated on a work of art based in social and political activism called Hidden in Plain View. On at the Studios of Key West until Dec. 14, this exhibit particularizes life on Key West’s streets through photography and poetry. Key West’s sun, the thing that draws all (the homeless, the single-, double- and triple-homed) to this wonderful place, works differently on those who live exposed all day, every day. Sheelman’s larger-than-life black and white photos focus on faces so tanned they might be leather masks. Hunger and exposure work incredible changes in the human face and form. These people are not getting enough to eat; they are sleeping rough and are just barely ahead of an early, stalking, death. We walk past them to our warm (or cooled) homes where we will eat when we wish, and throw out food because left too long in our refrigerators (whose incredible convenience and safety we rarely note). Erika built Hidden in Plain View from her experiences in the Occupy movement. She, with others, experienced life lived in tents at Bayview Park, where she met the people SheelMan’s camera reveals. Erika, that rare person who cares about everyone she meets, led these discarded people to open themselves to the camera, to write down feelings and thoughts, and to share their memories and despair with the very community that ignores them. The poems question over and over again: “Why do you pass me by?” The question in every face is: “Why am I so worthless that you can’t even imagine that I could be (and, maybe, until recently was) just like you, that you could (sometime in the near future) be living like me?” If ever there were a demonstration of Key West’s One Human Family motto, Erika’s and SheelMan’s work is it. Hidden in Plain View reminds us of the family we close out when we close our doors, and puts faces to the people who live on our streets. This painful reality is easier to look at when presented so artfully. Please allow yourself to look.
Rosanne Potter
Key West
Perhaps this Sunday, The Citizen Editorial Board and Solares Hill will address Hidden In Plain View as part of Key West’s One Human Family.
From my first cousin Leo yesterday:
This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness. Dalai Lama
Well said, this world sure would be a far different place if everyone lived in that way. Does this statement by the Dalai Lama mean he doesn’t need Buddhism, its temples?
I guess you would have to ask him.
There actually are several questions I’d like to ask the Dalai Lama, if I ever get the chance, but the one I asked my cousin Leo was rhetorical. The main question I would ask the Dalai Lama, it is said when someone asked Buddha about God, Buddha said that is too big a topic to even discuss. So is God too big a topic for the Dalai Lama to even discuss? God wasn’t too big a topic for Jesus to discuss in the Gospels.
Which led to this banter:
Ah Yes Rhetorical-I’ll have to be more aware of your grandiloquence in the future.
I thought I was being sarcastic, but pompous probably fits just as well.
Bash-It’s good to know we can bat it around and still be friendly cuz. Leo
Seemed to me the logical corollary of the Dalai Lama’s living forumla was he didn’t need religion. Another question I would like to ask is, if Buddha said the cause of all human misery is attachment, why hasn’t the Dalai Lama given up on getting Tibet back? I might also ask if maybe God wanted the Tibetans dispersed across the world, so they could share what they knew with other peoples?
“Every man makes a god of his own desire.” Vergil, Roman poet
In Buddhism, the bodhisattva is held in highest regard, this is a Buddhist, usually a lama, I think, who takes a vow to keep returning to human form on this planet until all sentient beings reach enlightenment. Perhaps prodded by the angels, perhaps my mischief, I came to wonder if that was an impossible achievement – all sentient beings reaching enlightenment (people, if cetaceans are ignored, since they probably already reached enlightenment, and perhaps there are other sentient beings on this world not recognised by human beings). I also came to wonder if the first bodhisattva was an advanced lama, who, as he approached his time to depart human form, again, realized he would have to come back, again, and that realization was so distressing, perhaps even humiliating or mortifying, in the ego sense, that he came up with the idea of being a bodhisattva to make himself feel better. I have held both of those wonderings in my thoughts for about 20 years, and the angels have yet to tell me to stop having those wonderings.
Received this forward from a Republican snowbird amigo:
The America we all love and fight for until our dying day! Don Devaney

Letter from an airline pilot:

He writes:

My lead flight attendant came to me and said, “We have an H.R. On this flight.” (H.R. Stands for human remains.) “Are they military?” I asked.‘Yes’, she said.‘Is there an escort?’ I asked.‘Yes, I’ve already assigned him a seat’.‘Would you please tell him to come to the flight deck. You can board him early,” I said..A short while later, a young army sergeant entered the flight deck. He was the image of the perfectly dressed soldier. He introduced himself and I asked him about his soldier. The escorts of these fallen soldiers talk about them as if they are still alive and still with us.‘My soldier is on his way back to Virginia ,’ he said. He proceeded to answer my questions, but offered no words.I asked him if there was anything I could do for him and he said no. I told him that he had the toughest job in the military and that I appreciated the work that he does for the families of our fallen soldiers. The first officer and I got up out of our seats to shake his hand. He left the flight deck to find his seat.We completed our pre-flight checks, pushed back and performed an uneventful departure. About 30 minutes into our flight I received a call from the lead flight attendant in the cabin. ‘I just found out the family of the soldier we are carrying, is on board’, she said. She then proceeded to tell me that the father, mother, wife and 2-year old daughter were escorting their son, husband, and father home. The family was upset because they were unable to see the container that the soldier was in before we left. We were on our way to a major hub at which the family was going to wait four hours for the connecting flight home to Virginia .The father of the soldier told the flight attendant that knowing his son was below him in the cargo compartment and being unable to see him was too much for him and the family to bear. He had asked the flight attendant if there was anything that could be done to allow them to see him upon our arrival. The family wanted to be outside by the cargo door to watch the soldier being taken off the airplane. I could hear the desperation in the flight attendants voice when she asked me if there was anything I could do. ‘I’m on it’, I said. I told her that I would get back to her.Airborne communication with my company normally occurs in the form of e-mail like messages. I decided to bypass this system and contact my flight dispatcher directly on a Secondary radio. There is a radio operator in the operations control center who connects you to the telephone of the dispatcher. I was in direct contact with the dispatcher. I explained the situation I had on board with the family and what it was the family wanted. He said he understood and that he would get back to me.Two hours went by and I had not heard from the dispatcher. We were going to get busy soon and I needed to know what to tell the family. I sent a text message asking for an update. I Saved the return message from the dispatcher and the following is the text:‘Captain, sorry it has taken so long to get back to you. There is policy on this now and I had to check on a few things. Upon your arrival a dedicated escort team will meet the aircraft. The team will escort the family to the ramp and plane side. A van will be used to load the remains with a secondary van for the family. The family will be taken to their departure area and escorted into the terminal where the remains can be seen on the ramp. It is a private area for the family only. When the connecting aircraft arrives, the family will be escorted onto the ramp and plane side to watch the remains being loaded for the final leg home. Captain, most of us here in flight control are veterans.. Please pass our condolences on to the family. Thanks.’

I sent a message back telling flight control thanks for a good job. I printed out the message and gave it to the lead flight attendant to pass on to the father. The lead flight attendant was very thankful and told me, ‘You have no idea how much this will mean to them.’ Things started getting busy for the descent, approach and landing. After landing, we cleared the runway and taxied to the ramp area. The ramp is huge with 15 gates on either side of the alleyway. It is always a busy area with aircraft maneuvering every which way to enter and exit. When we entered the ramp and checked in with the ramp controller, we were told That all traffic was being held for us. ‘There is a team in place to meet the aircraft’, we were told. It looked like it was all coming together, then I realized that once we turned the seat belt sign off, everyone would stand up at once and delay the family from getting off the airplane. As we approached our gate, I asked the co-pilot to tell the ramp controller we were going to stop short of the gate to make an announcement to the passengers. He did that and the ramp controller said, ‘Take your time.’ I stopped the aircraft and set the parking brake. I pushed the public address button and said, ‘Ladies and gentleman, this is your Captain speaking I have stopped short of our gate to make a special announcement. We have a passenger on board who deserves our honor and respect. His Name is Private XXXXXX, a soldier who recently lost his life. Private XXXXXX is under your feet in the cargo hold. Escorting him today is Army Sergeant XXXXXXX. Also, on board are his father, mother, wife, and daughter. Your entire flight crew is asking for all passengers to remain in their seats to allow the family to exit the aircraft first. Thank you.’ We continued the turn to the gate, came to a stop and started our shutdown procedures. A couple of minutes later I opened the cockpit door. I found the two forward flight attendants crying, something you just do not see. I was told that after we came to a stop, every passenger on the aircraft stayed in their seats, waiting for the family to exit the aircraft. When the family got up and gathered their things, a passenger slowly started to clap his hands. Moments later more passengers joined in and soon the entire aircraft was clapping. Words of ‘God Bless You’, I’m sorry, thank you, be proud, and other kind words were uttered to the family as they made their way down the aisle and out of the airplane. They were escorted down to the ramp to finally be with their loved one. Many of the passengers disembarking thanked me for the announcement I had made. They were just words, I told them, I could say them over and over again, but nothing I say will bring back that brave soldier. I respectfully ask that all of you reflect on this event and the sacrifices that millions of our men and women have made to ensure our freedom and safety in these USA, Canada, Australia New Zealand, England.

Foot note:

I know everyone who has served their country who reads this will have tears in their eyes, including me. Prayer chain for our Military… Don’t break it! Please send this on after a short prayer for our service men and women. Don’t break it! They die for me and mine and you and yours and deserve our honor and respect.

‘Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as they protect us..bless them and their families for the selfless acts they perform for us in our time of need.. In Jesus Name, Amen.’

There is nothing attached. Just send this to people in your address book. Do not let it stop with you. Of all the gifts you could give a Marine, Soldier, Sailor, Airman, & others deployed in harm’s way, prayer is the very best one.



Do you want me to publish this, and say, yes it indeed is moving, and which American president murdered this brave soldier over nothing, G.W. Bush, or Barack Obama?
Snowbird replied:
It’s irrelevant which President sent him there, although it was probably Obama. It’s the bravery of the soldier and his family and the compassion shown by the pilots, flight attendants and passengers. Why make it political?
See my comments in italics:
I respectfully ask that all of you reflect on this event and the sacrifices that millions of our men and women have made to ensure our freedom and safety in these USA, Canada, Australia New Zealand, England.
If this ain’t political, I’m a Republican. I hate what happened physically and psychically to every American soldier who served in Korea, Vietnam, Central America, Kuwait, Iraq and Afghanistan. I hate it all the more because I do not believe they fought for my freedom, nor for your freedom. They fought for something else. Yes, I know they believed, or most of them believed, they fought for my and your freedom. Yes, I know they were brave. They sacrificed. What I hope the next person who creates a forward like this does, he/she uses it to lament needless American wars and the loss of life and limb and the soul damage such wars wreak on American troops and their families, and on the enemy troops and their families, and on the US budget, and on the other countries’ budgets.
Foot note:
I know everyone who has served their country who reads this will have tears in their eyes, including me. Prayer chain for our Military… Don’t break it! Please send this on after a short prayer for our service men and women. Don’t break it! They die for me and mine and you and yours and deserve our honor and respect.
‘Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as they protect us..bless them and their families for the selfless acts they perform for us in our time of need.. In Jesus Name, Amen.’
There is nothing attached. Just send this to people in your address book. Do not let it stop with you. Of all the gifts you could give a Marine, Soldier, Sailor, Airman, & others deployed in harm’s way, prayer is the very best one.
I would modify this prayer, by asking God to open the eyes of all Americans and their elected officials and the military-industrial complex, so they see what is really going on and they stop doing it and bring home the US troops they have needlessly and/or selfishly put into harm’s way.
Snowbird replied:
You’re entitled to your opinion, but it seems to me that you have big problems with national security policy since 1945. I think most Americans aren’t there now and hopefully never.
I have big problems with invented and/or political wars cast as national security policy, which very definitely is politics.
As I read pre-WWII history, the Japanese felt they had no other choice but to attack America, because of American foreign policy toward Japan. I sadly appears that Roosevelt knew the Japanese fleet was headed toward Pearl Harbor and he let the attack happen, because he wanted America to enter WWII.
Are you sure that airline forward wasn’t a made up story, which many political forwards are.
Snowbird replied:
I would feel that I was used if that were to be the case. I heard that about FDR, but I hope it wasn’t true. It hasn’t been proved and I hope I am not disappointed. The irony of WWII is that stupid bastard Hitler declared war on us for no good reason, which was just what FDR and WSC wanted. However, it had to be done and I’m glad we made the necessary decisions.
In our advanced years, we both know little that comes out of the White House or Congress can be trusted, regardless of which party is on top.
I read a truly chilling book in the early 1990s, which convinced me that Churchill and the Allied Command knew for a fact that Adolph Hitler and his top inner circle were demonically possessed, how it happened, and how that enabled to them to take over Germany so totally, prelude to WW II. This information was buried after the war, it was decided the public could not handle the truth.
The Spear of Destiny, Trevor Ravenscroft – not for the faint of heart
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