rendition of Archangel Michael slaying Satan
This post is longish and weaves around a bit, but it might all come together and be entertaining, or maddening, or infuriating, or whatever, if you read it all the way through …
Re my reply to the forward in yesterday’s
Murray is nuts, Bashinsky is crazy – Florida Keys post, Pam Martin of Key Largo replied:
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 07:40:20 -0400
Subject: Re: cc has forwarded a page to you from KeysNews.com
CC: email@example.com; firstname.lastname@example.org; email@example.com; firstname.lastname@example.org; email@example.com; firstname.lastname@example.org
The thing that I can say for sure about you & your daily emails is that life is never boring with you around!
I’m reminded about the saying “Just because someone is paranoid, doesn’t mean that someone is not out to get them … after all just ask Bill Clinton!”
Lot’s of things in life are viewed/filtered through the lens of the eye of the beholder. They could have excellent eyesight, need reading glasses, have cataracts or even macular degeneration – it’s all what the eye sees, the ears hear & how the brain interprets the results. It is always interesting your take on things & you dig up some interesting facts/opinions/musings most people don’t even hear about. Thanks for the email.
I replied, copied to ALL:
Thanks, being crazy leads to having crazy ways of looking at things…
I’m paranoid as hell, because I know for a fact the angels are out to get me … if, at times, people weren’t out to get me, I’d be a heap more paranoid about the angels, because that would mean I wasn’t doing right what the angels gave me to do … and to think I once thought (when I was a kid) angels were wonderful, a belief I held even after I was abducted (early 1987), but eventually they cured me of my belief, although, I admit, I was a sorry specimen when they abducted me and maybe they improved on that, I suppose I’ll know that outcome some day …
Eye of the beholder, the fellow when the abduction occurred, were I to go back in time and look him up and we had a conversation, about 100 percent odds he would know for a fact I am nuts and crazy, and worse … I would feel awful for him, knowing where he was heading, thinking it might be wonderful, finally … Maybe some day it will be wonderful, I hope I live to see it …
The candidate forum Pam hosts each election season at the Civic Club on Key Largo is Sunday at 5:30 p.m. Her forum historically is well attended by the Key Largo public, mostly old folks, like me, like Pam, Kay Thacker, County Commissioner Sylvia Murphy, Pauline Klein, Ron Miller … Ya’ll come!
Re the candidate-driven school board forum moderated by Bill Becker on Big Pine Key last night, about which much commotion has appeared in my ravings and eventually made its way into an article in The Key West Citizen on Thursday…
I spaced back the starting time to 7 p.m., was rousted back to reality by a phone call from Todd German about 6:08, made it there by 6:18, said “Mea culpa,” then Bill Becker started the forum.
Not well attended, maybe 20 “civilians” at the beginning … so much for the appeal of an out of the box candidate forum, maybe so much for the appeal of out of the box anything …
Andy Griffiths, Ed Davidson and Michael Cunningham were not there …
Bill Becker drew names out of a hat, I went first …
I said school system is broken, it cannot be fixed, and the only solution I see is for each school to go charter, you don’t believe that but in two or three years, you will see it is so … I came back to that a few times, as the evening progressed … Each candidate got to toss out his/her issue of concern and discuss it, and the other candidates then had their say about it … 2 hours total …
It was civil, some laughing on the dais and in the audience … It was deadly serious … Candidates were allowed to speak too long on issues, rough on the audience … Otherwise, it was a beautiful forum… Ed Davidson’s and Andy Griffith’s prior criticisms were completely misplaced … No surprise there …
20-year incumbent, Andy would have looked really bad in that forum, with candidates setting the agenda … Andy knew he would look bad, and that is why he did not attend … I told Yvette Mira-Talbott afterward that Andy does what Andy thinks is best for Andy … Andy, Yvette and Howard Hubbard are in the Dist. 2 race … The other candidates are in the Dist. 3 race …
A really important thing came out during the milling around after the forum ended …
Union representative Holly Hummell-Gorman told me that during the collective bargaining negotiations, Michael Kinneer said he didn’t know why they were talking about making such a deal when the money was not there in the school district to pay for it … Holly said Michael didn’t come to any more collective bargaining agreement meetings after that, like maybe he was told not to come … She said they (the union) asked Jesus Jara and Joe Burke where was the money coming from to fund the collective bargaining agreement, because they did not see it either? … Vague answers were given … I asked Holly if she was there, saw and heard that? Yes … Could I publish it? Yes …
I walked to where Gwen Filosa, Todd German, Larry Murray and Yvette were talking, and told them what Holly had told me … Todd said it looked like the school district threw Michael Kinneer under the bus … I said it looked like that to me, too … Nobody present disagreed …
On throwing Michael Kinneer under a bus, received this email yesterday from Rick Boettger …
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 09:02:15 -0400
Subject: Re: never ending schools bedtime stories
Dear Raving Poster Sloan,
Thank you for publishing Michael Kinneer’s attack on Andy Griffiths. I would like to surprise you by defending Andy’s expenditure of funds on a state school board leaders’ conference, as described by Kinneer. I expect you to disagree with my defense, in print, but I also know from years of appreciating your work that I can expect you to publish my defense without censoring a word.
First, Kineer questions whether Andy has the “financial acumen” to judge whether Kineer ought to be fired. Kinneer would not question my own financial acumen, and I support Andy in his judgment of Kinneer’s poor performance, and agree that Kinneer ought to be fired.
As to the $4,900 spent on food, entertainment and lodging for the 2010 conference and your (and everyone’s ) question of how does money spent like this do anyone in our school system “one cent of good,” let me offer you my experience with conferences like this.
As a business professor, I attended many such conferences, at attractive venues. some overseas at cost ten times per person as Andy’s. Private sector conferences are another order of magnitude up in expense and comfort. Why are such conferences held? Attendees are salaried professionals who do not earn a cent of pay for attending, or even for presenting at such conferences, which occur at times they would otherwise not be working.
The way you evaluate the worth of such expenditures is by judging the output of the conference. Simply Googling Andy’s group, the Greater Florida consortium of School Boards, leads you to their 2012 legislative agenda. Read it, everyone. It is vastly more knowledgeable, complex, and pertinent to its mission, increasing per-student state funding, than anything put out by the District, especially over Kinneer’s signature. If ten percent of the agenda were to be accomplished, our district’s finances would benefit ten or a 100-fold for the expenditure of the conference.
If the number-one shot in Kinneer’s arsenal against Andy is this $4,900 professional conference expenditure, he is on very weak grounds. Compared to the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on his own ineffectual services, it is nothing.
If the number-one shot in Kinneer’s arsenal against Andy is this $4,900 professional conference expenditure, he is on very weak grounds. Compared to the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on his own ineffectual services, it is nothing.
Sloan, I have my criticisms of Andy, and in fact am not supporting his re-election. But Kinneer is perhaps the person in the District least able to criticize anyone on the grounds of financial efficiency. His job could have been done far better, and for free, by various District volunteers. Let the District take him up on his offer to quit and we will all be better off.
Again, Sloan, I expect you to disagree, and look forward to reading your comments, but thank you in advance for sharing your venue (I hope my presumption does not trigger any angelic wrath).
Sincerely, Rick Boettger
I replied to Rick, copied to Andy, Michael Kinneer and Todd German:
Actually, I would prefer Andy defend himself.
Todd and I talked about this sore topic yesterday.
We agreed, if Andy truly felt Michael was incompetent, Andy should have taken it up with the entire school board at a duly called/advertised meeting. Todd said, I agreed, Andy should have pursued it like John Dick pursues things about the school district bothering him. Todd said, I agreed, that Andy waiting until recently to criticize Michael leaves the impression there isn’t anything to it.
Also not pretty, Todd and I agreed, Andy waiting until his campaign seemed not going so swell to blast Michael at candidate forums and in the newspapers, and blaming Michael and Gentile for not furnishing him, Andy, with accurate information, which led to him, Andy, not making good financial decisions/votes at school board meetings.
At the Finnegan’s Wake candidate forum, which got into the newspapers, Andy boasted he, apparently all by himself, will get rid of Michael, and Ken Gentile, too, and replace them with one superior financial professional, I suppose from the mainland. My recollection, Andy went after Michael at Monday’s school board workshop, without inviting Michael to tell his side of it.
That’s the way the Greater Florida Consortium of School Boards teaches school board members to conduct their school board duties?
Todd said yesterday that it’s his impression Michael is sticking by his numbers, which do may not entirely agree with Ken Gentile’s numbers given to the school board during Monday’s workshop. Todd sounded to me like he would trust Michael’s numbers more.
Since two days ago, I have been thinking of writing to Michael to see if he wants to comment on his numbers, and on Gentile’s other school district employee’s numbers. I feel public/taxpayers deserve to know how Michael sees it, so I’m copying him, Todd and Andy with this email correspondence.
This thing between Michael and Andy seemed to really be bothering Todd when we spoke yesterday. Another unpleasant surprise coming out of the school district. I said, yeah, I’ve been saying that’s how this school district is, and why … Todd stopped me, knowing where I was headed … each school should go charter … get out of the war zone and get on with educating children to be career or college ready when they graduate from high school …
Certainly, Rick, if I publish this correspondence, including any reply from you, Michael, Todd and/or Andy, it will be verbatim. That’s my policy. And the angels’ policy. Far as I know, I have no sway over where they direct their wrath, or their blessings. Sometimes it’s hard to tell the two apart.
P.S. to All, plus Larry Murray
Hi again, Rick
Since writing to you, I spoke with Todd, who said he does not view Andy’s campaign as not going well, but he is troubled by Andy waiting until recently to go after Michael.
I spoke with Larry Murray, who said he thinks Michael’s different view of the numbers is around Ken Gentile saying at the school board workshop that everything is covered, nothing is unaccounted for, or something like that was the gist of what I recall Gentile saying with respect to what the reserve fund balance would be.
Larry said he thinks Michael doesn’t see everything as covered, accounted for – there always is something jumping out of the woodwork nobody seemed to be expecting.
Larry gave an example of something he thinks is about to jump out of the woodwork, which is that six, isn’t it?, of the 40 terminated teachers will be hired back, and that will cost the school district over $300,000, and where is that money coming from, if not out of the reserve fund balance. I copy Larry into this conversation, in case I misquoted him.
Rick, a while back, did you offer to do the financial work for the school district, for free, and did the school board take your offer up at a board meeting and decide against accepting it? I ask with this part of your email to me in mind, emphasis mine:
“Sloan, I have my criticisms of Andy, and in fact am not supporting his re-election. But Kinneer is perhaps the person in the District least able to criticize anyone on the grounds of financial efficiency. His job could have been done far better, and for free, by various District volunteers. Let the District take him up on his offer to quit and we will all be better off.”
If you were one of the various District volunteers who would have done Michael Kinneer’s job better, for free, don’t you think you should have indicated that when you wrote that to me?
You wrote this in KWTN currently online:
“After carving up the nice folks on our city commission and school board this month, I feel I should turn my scalpel on my own flesh in retribution for my sins. I’d love to read a similar parody of myself, but it may not be possible, as my every waking minute is something of a self-parodying masterpiece.”
Be careful what you ask for, Rick, the angels might provide it
Rick just to me:
Thanks for all your work on this, Sloan. I understand if you think this is Andy’s fight. I cc’d him, and if he wants to use my support, okay, but if he and you both don’t want to pass it on, that’s okay too. I write, others might or might not publish, and then the readers may or may not read.
I’ve written a number of columns discussing the work I offered to do for the District, one in the last month. A very capable local CPA offered to assist me, also for free. It’s no secret. Thought I’d talked enough about myself in appropriate venues, and that this was about Andy and Michael.
In spirit, ,
Me just to Rick:
This is a public fight Andy started, so, yes, he should speak for himself, whether or not anyone takes up for him.
Andy waiting this long to take Michael to task looks to me, and to others, I imagine, like political posturing related to Andy trying to get reelected, and not much to do with Andy’s duty to the school district.
Andy remains welcome to send me his side of Michael’s written compliant against Andy, and Michael’s complaint against the school district.
If you have a personal interest in an issue, or have had one, which becomes a public issue, when you speak to it in a public venue, you should disclose your personal history with the issue.
I seldom read KWTN, probably should. However, you anticipated I might publish yours and my response, so you should have included a description of your history of wanting to do Michael’s job and him be let go as a result.
All of the above, I wrote before turning in last night.
I then was slammed in dreams for not responding to Larry Murray’s issue of Marathon Manor, the school district’s version of the county government’s Hickory House white elephant. Now infamous Randy Acevedo, while he was schools superintendent, persuaded the school board to go along with the school district purchasing Marathon Manor because it was right next door to Marathon High School. As I recall, Marathon Manor was a retirement/nursing home.
I think Randy’s rationale was Marathon Manor could be turned into affordable housing for teachers, administrative employees, and non-district employees, or it could be sold to a developer for a tidy profit, therefore it was a great investment for the school district, even though school districts are not supposed to be in commercial investing ventures, but are supposed to be in the business of educating children.
Larry said Marathon Manor has around 120, I think was the number, transient rental units rights, which could be sold to raise cash for the school district. Mark Peterson weighed in that appraisals would have to be done, to wee what Marathon Manor was worth with and without the transient units. My contribution to that issue was I said Larry is the strongest financial candidate.
All of that is what the angels clobbered me over in dreams, and woke me up at 2:30 a.m. to do it. So, I got up and started writing about Marathon Manor, figuring it would be the biggest winner in Gwen Filosa’s article in The Key West Citizen today, last below.
The dream was pretty clear, I lost lot a lot of votes, in Monroe County and in Heaven, by not dealing with Marathon Manor during the forum. I felt bad about that, because displeasing the angels leaves me feeling like the earth has been yanked out from under me and I will be thrown into another one of their spirit prisons, which has happened too many times in the past. Prisons which not only have awful mental and emotional tortures, but also physical tortures, like being homeless, or contracting MRSA, or cancer. Those are not hypotheticals. Those are spirit prisons I actually have experienced.
There is plenty more. I am fed up to the gills with running for office and Keys politics. I did not want to run for school board to begin with. I don’t want the thankless job. School board meetings bore me and wear me out. Sitting through just one entire school board meeting would be cruel and unusual punishment of myself. I would nod off sitting straight up several times during just one meeting. I feel awful physically most of the time. I need at least one, often two, sometimes three, and occasionally four naps a day. There is no way I could handle the job, even if I wanted to be on the school board.
I told the angels that yet again, while I was driving to the forum. I said the fact that I had spaced out the starting time the forum started showed just how deep in my soul I do not want to be running for office, and just how much I don’t want to be on the school board. The same could be said for why I spaced out speaking on Larry’s Marathon Minor suggestion last night, and why I said Larry is the strongest financial candidate.
However, I do care about trying to help the school district, and apparently I have a bigger grasp of the Marathon Manor situation than all the rest of the candidates combined, based on what the other candidates said last night, so …
Transient rental rights are traded like marketable securities in the Keys, because they can be transferred from the property to which they are attached, to another property, or to other properties. Developers always are looking for transient rental rights, which are limited in number because the Keys are environmentally sensitive and new development is limited here. Often transient rental rights are used in re-development of already developed property. I think there was a time when one transient rental right went for $100,000. I don’t know what the going rate is now, but perhaps not too much lower than that.
If the school district sold Marathon Manor’s transient rental rights, but kept Marathon Manor, the property would be seriously devalued and probably impossible to sell for anywhere near what it then was worth. And, the sales proceeds would be return of capital and would not be able to be used for operations, but only for capital expenditures.
I have felt for a while that the school district’s administrative offices at Trumbo Point in Key West should be moved to Marathon, which makes a lot of money sense, because Marathon is half way between Coral Shores High School on Key Largo and Key West. It makes a lot of political sense, because relocating the administrative offices to Marathon would weaken the Key West Conch’s domination of the school district. Proceeds from the sale of the transient units could be used to refurbish Marathon Manor, so it could be used for the administrative offices.
Trumbo Point is prime waterfront real estate, and once vacated, could be sold to a developer for top dollar. Perhaps the same developer would buy the Marathon Manor transient units to use for a hotel or condo development at Trumbo Point. The angels had me write about that quite a few times last year, except I did not then know about, or I was not paying attention to, Marathon Manor’s transient rental rights.
I have strongly opposed moving the administrative offices into the smaller building at Glynn Archer Elementary School in Key West, which school the school board is determined, so far, to give to Key West, for its new city hall. I have strongly opposed giving away any school real estate. I was beating all of that band wagon perhaps before any of the other candidates last night even thought of running for the school district.
Okay, I put it in writing. It will be published on my web sites. Alas, that’s a tadpole to getting it in The Key West Citizen, or in the Keynoter, which did not cover last night’s forum. Nor did the News-Barometer. Bill Becker will not be able to say anything about it on his US 1 Radio news broadcast today, because I slept through the whole issue last night, even though I apparently know more about it than all the rest of them added up.
Here’s Gwen Filosa’s article. My thoughts trailing.
5 School Board hopefuls agree
New blood needed, say contenders who attended controversial forum
BY GWEN FILOSA Citizen Staff
The Monroe County School District is suffering from a revolving-door style of leadership that has lowered employee morale, bungled financial management and turned off the public, five of the eight candidates for School Board on the Aug. 14 primary ballot said Friday evening at a debate.
This was the consensus along the folding table-dais inside a church parish hall on Big Pine Key, as each candidate took turns with a cordless microphone they handed back and forth in front of a crowd of about 30.
It proved an amiable, highly agreeable group, expounding on one universal complaint: The School Board needs some new blood.
“You find out who is a leader when times are hard,” said Yvette Mira-Talbott, who wants to oust the board’s longest-serving incumbent, at 20 years, Andy Griffiths. “People generally pull together if there is someone on top who is leading the way. That’s what we are missing there — true leadership.”
While Griffiths attended a meet-and-greet Friday evening, his District 2 challengers Mira-Talbott and Howard Hubbard chose to take part in the debate that District 3 candidate Larry Murray organized.
Murray was joined by only two of the five men whose names will appear with his on the primary ballot: John Welsh and Mark Peterson.
District 3 candidates Michael Cunningham and Ed Davidson turned down Murray’s invitation, deeming it a vanity project for the Big Pine Key gadfly.
Sloan Bashinsky, a perennial candidate who filed as a write-in contender, can only get votes at the Nov. 6 general election. The top vote-getters Aug. 14, or the one who collects 51 percent, will face Bashinsky then.
About 30 spectators attended the debate, which was moderated by US-1 Radio News Director Bill Becker, but did not center on prepared questions.
Becker, who called his role similar to a referee, intervened only once during the two-hour debate, when Bashinsky called the five School Board members “a bunch of weenies.”
Someone in the back of the room said, “Time,” and Becker didn’t smile at Bashinsky’s name-calling.
“Wrap it up,” Becker told him. “Don’t make me have to do that again.”
The candidates began a discussion about 6:20 p.m. — starting 20 minutes late due to Bashinsky’s tardiness — and simply offered their views on topics that came up like they would at a salon session in a local barroom or at a kitchen table.
Mark Peterson, the retired attorney who has been a substitute teacher in the Florida Keys, brought up one of his favorite topics on the campaign trail: the School Board’s decision to freely give the Glynn Archer Elementary School building to the city of Key West in exchange for some parking spaces on Stock Island.
“We should have sold it to the highest bidder and taken the cash and kept it in the School District,” said Peterson. “The ink on that decision isn’t dry. It can be reversed.”
Mira-Talbott agreed, saying the deal speaks volumes about the School Board’s lack of vision.
“I would never give away an asset; who does that?” Mira-Talbott asked rhetorically, citing her experience helping to run her family’s real estate appraisal business.
“They never look ahead.”
Welsh took a different view of the Glynn Archer deal, saying the taxpayers already paid for it once when they decided to build the school on White Street, a point that board members made before voting to let the city have it.
“Do we want to charge them twice for the same building?” Welsh asked, suggesting the School District could keep the deed and lease the space to the city.
The evening’s first topic centered on whether teacher and staff morale was lacking in the wake of frozen raises and mandated furlough days. Several candidates said it was a definite problem.
“We all know it’s there and it’s real,” said Murray, who added that money can’t fix everything. “But exactly how do you go about changing it? That’s where the difficult task is.”
Hubbard said, “It’s a touchy-feely item that you can’t really put your arms around, and there are no facts to support it. There is a lack of communication. We’re not working with the teachers on furlough days. No one wants to be told, ‘Like it or not, you’re going to take seven days off without pay.’”
Mira-Talbott addressed the terribly obvious fact that she is the only woman among the total of nine candidates running for School Board, which is an all-male panel as well.
“No one can plan better than a woman,” she said, grabbing the attention of the crowd seated in the stuffy, warm hall. “You men know we keep you in line. We run our homes, our businesses, our husbands’ lives and we know every aspect of the word ‘planning.’ And we do it with a smile.”
Mira-Talbott noted that schools such as Stanley Switlik Elementary and Sigsbee Charter are in dire need of repairs, and the newer schools that have gone up across the Keys will need repairs, too. She wondered aloud if the district was financially prepared for it.
She also reminded the crowd that Key West High School’s academic challenge team this year had to beg the community for $7,000 in donations in order to attend the state competition on behalf of the county.
The team became state champs, a first for Monroe County, but only after scrambling for the money to go to Orlando due to budget cuts.
“Poor planning or no planning,” Mira-Talbott said. “I think you need a woman to help these gentlemen see the light.”
Only Bashinsky, a prolific blogger who describes himself as “insane” and says the only solution to fixing the School District is to let a charter school company run it, rebutted Mira-Talbott on her point that the board needed a woman.
“I’ve had seven wives,” said Bashinsky, adding that maybe that was his problem. “I need a wife.”
Bashinsky did note that no single board member can ensure changes without becoming part of the majority vote.
“They can’t get a damn thing done with one vote or two votes and that’s the reality,” he said. “As the years pass, not much is going to change. And maybe you’ll remember ‘Crazy Sloan’ up there telling you maybe you should go charter.”
Amazingly, Gwen did not mention Larry Murray’s proposal for Marathon Manor.
I did not rebut Yevette saying the school board needs a women. Gwen twisted it completely out of context. Yevette said the school board needs a woman because women are good at planning and arranging everything, including their husbands. I said after having seven wives, I had thought I was doing okay, not being married, until Yvette made her comment about a man needing to have his life run by a woman. There was lots of laughter over that.
Yevette told me afterward that I need a good woman in my life. She laughed. I laughed. I wondered if she was a herald of that happening. I’m lonely as hell. I miss having a good woman in my life. And I have been trying, if Gwen has been paying attention, to give Yvette help against Andy Griffiths. Yvette’s husband again was friendly toward me last night. He knows I’m trying to help Yvette.
Gwen flat made up that I said let a charter company run the school district. That’s’ the second time she has done that in an article. I said several times, each school should go charter and be run by its own board of directors, the parents and the principal, and in that way get their school out from under the superintendent and school board. The last time I said it, I called the school board and superintendent the Kremlin, Nikita. Nobody objected to that. In fact, I saw some smiles in the audience.
Maybe I did something that upset Gwen? Darn if I know what it is, unless it was being late for the forum. I thought they would start it without me. I never heard of a forum waiting on a candidate to show up, and I’ve participated in more candidate forums than all the other candidates in both school board races combined.
It’s okay for Larry Murray to say the school board needs testicles, but it’s not okay for me to say the school board is a bunch of weenies? Were they upset because we were in a church’s fellowship hall?
If so, why did not Gwen report that I had said, “Robin-Smith Martin and the school board had (I mouthed “fucked up”) the relationship between Mark Porter and the teachers and their union?
Why in the fuck would I want to be involved in a community that is so Puritan and up-tight? Why do the angels delight in making me do things I don’t want to have anything to do with? I must have seriously awful karma.
For what it’s worth, Todd German told me afterward that I did well, and it looked like I was backing Larry Murray.
Obviously, I am not a viable candidate from the public’s side of it, nor from my side of it.
After my experiences with Ed Davidson and Michael Cunningham regarding last night’s forum, there is no way I would be happy seeing them on the school board. They do not seem to me like men who will always tell the truth and honor their word.
I don’t think Mark Peterson is nearly as strong a candidate as Larry Murray.
John Welsh has lots of experience as an educator in this school district, he might make a good school board member, but I don’t see he has the background to dissect a school budget, which Larry definitely has.
If Larry is elected, he will make the rest of the school board miserable. They will not want to attend school board meetings, knowing he will be there. Administrative staff will dread getting another email from Larry, asking for yet another whatever.
I gave it my best shot when I told them the only way to fix the school district is for each school to go charter. That mantra is not going to change. The rest is just pissing up a rope.
It was no accident I was drawn to go first. The angels knew I would put the fundamental issue on the table top right out of the chute. It was interesting to listen to the other five candidates then struggle with trying to make arguments for there still being hope to fix this school district in ways other than each school going charter. The more they talked, the more they proved there is no other way.
Clerk of the Court candidate Matt Gardi videoed the event and said afterward it will be up on nakedconch.com soon.
Kudos to Larry Murray for all his hard work, and to Bill Becker for coming up with the design and moderating.
begged, borrowed, stolen and written by Sloan Bashinsky, probably the most reluctant candidate for office in the history of everything